Private channel session 1444

22 messages over 2h 44m, 2021-05-28 – 2021-05-28.

A “conversation” here is an activity session — a run of messages with under 60 minutes of silence inside it. The channel had no native conversation boundaries.

2021-05-28 12:56 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.889

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/bies.202100015
2021-05-28 12:57 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.889

Another Dynamic Duo: Rosanna and Yurie claiming the sequences must be fake.
2021-05-28 12:58 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.889

NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY BOB, NOT A CONSPIRACY!!!! I'm just asking questions...
2021-05-28 13:15 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.889

A little shaky, but some helpful comments from Relman and Baric on their true beliefs. https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/the-sudden-rise-of-the-coronavirus-lab-leak-theory
2021-05-28 13:15 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.889

Here's Relman with his main argument... I'll let you be the judge. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-05-28 at 1.14.15PM.png]
2021-05-28 13:57 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.889

Strikes me as a little odd that Relman would believe that this was a little odd.
2021-05-28 14:00 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.890

Exactly - but if you have either (a) not looked at the data, or (b) don't understand the data, this would be a very logical standpoint. But here's the problem - it's uninformed.
2021-05-28 14:03 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.890

But hey - mission accomplished - they are getting a lot of time in the media. All the stuff that Amy wrote about is nota consideration.
2021-05-28 14:22 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.890

How are BioEssays able to publish this nonsense?
2021-05-28 14:29 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.890

I'm genuinely ashamed to be a scientist at the moment. We look like total dick heads. What ever happen to reason?
2021-05-28 14:36 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.890

Reason, data, evidence, statistics - come on man, opinion is what matters!
2021-05-28 14:36 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.890

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-28/aussie-who-investigator-defends-wuhan-study/100175292
2021-05-28 14:37 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.890

Good old Dom
2021-05-28 14:37 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.890

Poor Dom... :wink:
2021-05-28 14:38 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.890

Just came across this oldie but goodie. Do yourself a favor and read it - and then ask yourself this question "Since then, what new data have we gotten to support a lab leak?".https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/114720192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf
2021-05-28 14:39 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.890

I love how simple the paper is - I also love the fact that the paper was named "nCov_Lancet". I guess it never got published :slightly_smiling_face:
2021-05-28 14:45 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.890

Ha, spot on. Nothing whatsoever.
2021-05-28 14:48 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.890

Did you write :writing_hand: the first reply to your Twitter post?:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing::rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
2021-05-28 14:51 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.891

So good - captures everything in <100 chars :wink:
2021-05-28 15:29 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.891

I love this old bit about the SARS hunt - exactly the same question people have brought up as being suspicious about SARS2. We still don't know exactly how SARS got from Yunnan to Guangdong (but, animal trading a very likely explanation...). https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-07766-9 [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-05-28 at 3.27.47 PM.png]
2021-05-28 15:38 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.891

Oh that's fabulous
2021-05-28 15:40 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.891

Watch this. https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000001183275/the-umbrella-man.html