Private channel session 960

20 messages over 6h 25m, 2021-02-11 – 2021-02-11.

A “conversation” here is an activity session — a run of messages with under 60 minutes of silence inside it. The channel had no native conversation boundaries.

2021-02-11 11:57 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.508

Any luck with the new link Eddie? Kristian may have to do a tech rescue. It possible you might need to log into google I guess.
2021-02-11 12:36 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.509

Sorry Bob, I still don't have edit access. I can only view.
2021-02-11 12:38 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.509

try it now I reversed you gmail holmes.eddie now gave invite.
2021-02-11 12:40 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.509

Got it now Bob. All good. I'll try to go over this later today.
2021-02-11 12:41 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.509

GREAT nothing cast in stone of course - just looking to consolidate the good science and correct some bad science that's out there...
2021-02-11 13:27 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.509

Bob - do you have a pdf of the WSJ article?
2021-02-11 13:35 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.509

here you go [shared file(s): Possible Early Covid-19 Cases in China Emerge During WHO Mission - WSJ.pdf]
2021-02-11 13:52 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.509

Not sure if this is something or nothing. I'll need to have a chat with Dominic.
2021-02-11 14:01 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.509

Need the ages. Also why don't they have a hell of a lot more in December? 80 in Oct/Nov would mean 100s in Dec.
2021-02-11 14:19 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.509

Agree - also agree with this: "Marion Koopmans, a Dutch virologist on the WHO team, echoed that concern. "From what we know about serology, out of 92 cases you would at least have some positives," she said." She right - if they were doing the tests right there would be some positives. What about that Italian4 year old with the supposed positive pcr - they could test his blood for antibodies. Almost inconceivable they didn't.
2021-02-11 15:14 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.509

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/behind-the-scenes-of-donald-mcneils-new-york-times-exit
2021-02-11 16:12 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.509

Was he really that important for COVID or is that his self-created myth?
2021-02-11 17:08 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.509

WSJ News Exclusive - Possible Early Covid-19 Cases in China Emerge During WHO Mission! ... wait, we investigated and actually those weren't early COVID-19 cases. But fuck it, we already wrote the article,so here we go. :man-facepalming:
2021-02-11 17:14 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.510

The reporting on the WHO mission has been largely shit.
2021-02-11 17:27 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.510

WaPo kinda started the shit slide - but they have been shit about it for quite sometime. Same with WSJ.
2021-02-11 18:13 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.510

WSJ started it when they published the Chan/Ridley BS. Expected them to take the Trump/China virus line. Yes - WashPost shit editorial opened the shit floodgates. The rest is a mish mash of AntiCCP, antiGOF anti GMO, antiscience agitators.
2021-02-11 18:15 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.510

Also antianimal research, antiBSL work, and so forth...
2021-02-11 18:16 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.510

It's a pretty toxic gumbo...
2021-02-11 18:21 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.510

Amy Maxmen tweeted this which is great: [shared file(s): Et97R90VcAEGPDX.jpg]
2021-02-11 18:22 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.510

A lot of this does seem to be a hangover from the GOF debate of 2012 with added CCP sauce.