Private channel session 121

23 messages over 2h 20m, 2020-06-03 – 2020-06-03.

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2020-06-03 15:46 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.50

I might make a t-shirt of Bob's list of 20. Of perhaps just 17 in bright red.
2020-06-03 15:50 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.51

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/03/exclusive-coronavirus-began-accident-disease-escaped-chinese/
2020-06-03 15:53 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.51

Ugh.
2020-06-03 15:54 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.51

Yeah - forgot about all the unhelpful stuff re the origins - probably a good 5 or 6 more points for the list.
2020-06-03 15:56 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.51

Did you read the paper in question. I don't really see how it supports a lab escape?
2020-06-03 15:58 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.51

It doesn't - but the article explains that it has been watered down apparently.
2020-06-03 15:58 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.51

And a new paper is coming out as soon as they find someone to publish it.
2020-06-03 16:04 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.51

Got it. I went straight to the paper. Have you seen the original? I'd love to see what this compelling evidence is.
2020-06-03 16:05 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.51

"Henceforth, those who would maintain that the Covid-19 pandemic arose from zoonotic transfer need to explain precisely why this more parsimonious account is wrong before asserting that their evidence is persuasive, most especially when, as we also show, there are puzzling errors in their use of evidence." Is this us?
2020-06-03 16:11 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.51

Presumably. I see a 40K Altmetric.
2020-06-03 16:13 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.51

"To remedy the problem, the researchers are developing their own vaccine, produced by Immunor AS, a Norwegian pharmaceutical company led by Mr Sorensen".
2020-06-03 16:14 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.51

Of course they are.
2020-06-03 16:30 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.51

Is it this mystery paper? [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2020-06-03 at 4.30.01 PM.png]
2020-06-03 16:35 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.51

That sounds likely. Did they send you a copy?
2020-06-03 16:37 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.52

I got that as well. No paper.
2020-06-03 16:38 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.52

Yeah, no paper - so I had no idea what it was about
2020-06-03 16:39 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.52

Apparently, as UKIP health spokesman he literally argued for policy of re-allowing smoking inside pubs.
2020-06-03 16:40 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.52

"Dalgleish stood in 2015 for Parliament as a UKIP candidate".
2020-06-03 16:43 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.52

Sounds like he's a real expert then. Good.
2020-06-03 16:50 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.52

Ehm, can somebody please point me to the part of the paper where they prove this virus is not natural? I have a hard time finding it...
2020-06-03 17:47 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.52

We need to see the 'original' paper. That one says nothing at all.
2020-06-03 17:48 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.52

I suspect we'll be disappointed...
2020-06-03 18:06 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.52

It will be mental though, and hence enjoyable. You need to watch Dalgleish in this video - such a nutter: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/election-2015-32522124/election-2015-health-debate-ukip-on-park-smoking-ban