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[2021-06-23 02:38:47] [Andrew Rambaut] ```@Kristian I have dug out some analysis of the early haplotypes I did way back and updating it. I realise it overlaps with what Joel's student is doing so I will make sure it doesn't impact on that - it is for internal use of this group. I also have in mind a rebuttal of the Italian Job.``` Meant to put this on this Channel. [2021-06-23 02:42:40] [Eddie Holmes] I suspect the Italian Job paper will have great trouble getting published. It was only in review at NEJM. I can't believe for a sec they will take it. [2021-06-23 03:28:27] [Andrew Rambaut] No but they will push it out somewhere. I assume they are not preprinting it so it doesn't get demolished whilst trying to slip it in a high-impact [2021-06-23 03:50:49] [Andrew Rambaut] Jeremy just emailed Eddie and me (he just wants to know if he should worry, I think). Eddie you may have gone to bed now. I was planning to reply with - ```A total red herring delivered with unsupported insinuation of malfeasance. All of the actual data is in Table 1 of the cited paper, and is exactly the same as reconstructed by Jesse from the 'deleted' reads. The paper was published after the data was deleted so if they wanted to hide something they could have simply not published it. The data just shows there were other haplotypes in Wuhan in January which we knew already - we also now that some aren't associated with the Huanan market. But that was discussed in the WHO report already. It fits very well with the idea there were multiple markets with captive wild animals acting as a more distributed source of human infections until it took hold in a few transmission chains. ``` Should I add anything else? [2021-06-23 04:07:42] [Eddie Holmes] Might possibly add that the tree is hard to root because of distant outgroup and reversions and the intermediates might be miscalls. I'll email him tomorrow. [2021-06-23 13:58:16] [Kristian Andersen] All too predictable - I'm sure there will be NO more data coming from China. Case closed. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-06-23 at 13.56.35.png] [2021-06-23 14:04:23] [Robert Garry] We'll do the best we can with what we got.... [2021-06-24 02:55:34] [Eddie Holmes] @Robert Garry Do you think the Wang et al. people who publicly say why they deleted the data? That would help a lot. Perhaps this can be communicated through John Cohen at Science (or even Kai) that it is reported in a neutral way? I can also ask Yongyi to tell Jon about the pangolin deletion. [2021-06-24 03:42:17] [Robert Garry] I'm trying to get them to do it. From what I understand via Shi is they feel they are in a damned if they do/damned if they don't scenario. But good to advise them it would be communicated through some trusted journalists. I'll keep trying. [2021-06-24 07:43:59]