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1. 2026-04-10 09:00 David T. Lambeth III open
   Yeah.
2. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
   Let's confer, yeah. DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com
3. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
   Let's go off the record.
4. 2026-04-10 09:00 David T. Lambeth III open
   Five minutes or less. [Recess.]
5. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar
   We're back on the record. It's 11:38.
6. 2026-04-10 09:00 David T. Lambeth III open
   Sorry. Before Dr. Baric begins his answer I just wanted to say that one of the examples he will give he believes could implicate national security. It's not classified, but we will ask that it be redacted, and are happy to confer about that later.
7. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
   Okay. So I'll give the straightforward ones first. When we published the 2015 paper, we did not include the full-length sequence of the chimera. And the reason we did not do that is that I initiated a conversation with NIH program and their research journal to request that that sequence not be provided so that no other person would have an exact template for how to build chimeric viruses. I never shared with the Chinese how we did it. I never provided them with the sequence. I never trained anyone from their job in coronavirus reverse genetics. So that's one example of where we specifically did not provide a sequence until after the pandemic started, when several researchers wrote Nature Medicine and said, "We want to look at the sequence to determine whether it's the cause of the pandemic."
8. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
   And what was the sequence? DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com
9. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
   The sequence of the SHC014 chimera. So we provided that, and we also put the WIV1 sequence up in PubMed and they analyzed that sequence and agreed that it was not the cause of the pandemic.

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