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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.101 · baric_ti:utt:00870

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Date
2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type
transcript segment · interview
recipient
Ralph S. Baric, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker
Christina Salazar
Or national security. That was also an exemption.

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  1. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    What's the point?
  2. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    I'm going to get to that. So if you go back to the NSABB P3CO regulations, the regulations state that viruses, like flu, SARS, and MERS coronavirus, are highly pathogenic viruses, and highly transmissible viruses are covered by this program. And if you do anything on these particular viruses that are highly pathogenic or highly transmissible, and you do any manipulation to increase that, then that's considered gain-of-function and regulated by those documents, based on my read of them. There are exemptions to that gain-of-function regulation framework. The first is that if you work with zoonotic viruses, like WIV1, which has never been show to infect a human being, that has never shown to be transmissible in humans, it is not subject to the gain-of18 function regulatory framework. It has to be reviewed, but the review process would require that it be -- the review process would, based on the regulations, say it's not subject to those gain --
  3. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    But how do you know what you don't know?
  4. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    Secondly, if you're doing work that's related to the development of vaccines or serology, it's also except from the gain-of-function policy. DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com
  5. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar
    Or national security. That was also an exemption.
  6. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    I don't know what you mean by that.
  7. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    Yeah. I'm just saying it was. I wasn't --
  8. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    So anyway, all the work with pseudotypes was not subject to gain, right. These are single-hit vectors that can't cause disease. As soon as we made full molecular clones, or chimeras, they were done in a WIV backbone, which meant that they're putting a zoonotic spike into a zoonotic strain, to eventually identify vaccine formulations that would be used in the cave, that's not subject to gain-of-function.
  9. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    It's not.

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