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Private channel session 1621

13 messages over 37m, 2021-09-29 – 2021-09-29.

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  1. 2021-09-29 04:31 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.1008
    My understanding is it's spending per year so not cumulative - just increases- let''s see what Sanjay says.
  2. 2021-09-29 04:36 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.1008
    >> Over 2019 the number of procurement contracts for the test is required for COVID-19 - the PCR test -- suggests the virus was highly likely to be spreading virulently in Wuhan, China as early as the summer of 2019. >> The total spent on PCR test systems in Hubei province increased from 2015 to 2018, but a dramatic increase was witnessed in 2019: 10.1M Yuan (2015); 19.1M Yuan (2016); 29.1M Yuan (2017); 36.7M Yuan (2018); and 67.4M Yuan (2019). The total 2019 contract value is higher than the sum of the previous two years. >> These are the Chinese groups that made the significant and abnormal purchases of PCR equipment in 2019: Wuhan by the People's Liberation Army Airborne Army Hospital (May 2019), The Wuhan Institute of Virology (Nov 2019), the Wuhan University of Science and Technology (Oct 2019) and the Hubei Province Districts Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (May-Dec 2019). October was the month that saw the most total PCR purchases. >> The researchers collected 1716 PCR procurement contracts from 2007 to the end of 2019 in Hubei province. And by comparison the monthly average of PCR purchases in other provinces didn't dramatically rise in 2019, per the study.
  3. 2021-09-29 04:47 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1009
    You definitely don't use PCR for anything but COVID
  4. 2021-09-29 04:47 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.1009
    The whole thing is rather fishy though. What does "procurement contracts for the test" mean?
  5. 2021-09-29 04:50 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1009
    By the way - your graph has the y axis in Yaun x 10-6 which isn't really that much money :wink:
  6. 2021-09-29 04:51 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1009
    Anyway - you said before that this was for equipment? I think Sanjay or whoever misunderstands that a 'PCR test' isbasically reagents.
  7. 2021-09-29 04:52 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1009
    The 2019 figure is basically $1M
  8. 2021-09-29 04:56 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1009
    If you were setting up a big genomic surveillance lab you could spend that much on machines quite easily
  9. 2021-09-29 04:58 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1009
    The UK spent £22B on setting up the COVID testing system.
  10. 2021-09-29 04:59 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1009
    Obviously if there was any documentary evidence they were ordering PCR primers for SARS-like coronavirus that would be a game changer
  11. 2021-09-29 05:03 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.1009
    It would be, although the idea that no one said a single word about this on public and social media until December perhaps argues against. I'm sure this is in no way related to the fact that Wuhan held a number of major events in2019 inc. the World Military Games, and might perhaps have wanted testing systems in place for the outbreaks that often follow mass gatherings.
  12. 2021-09-29 05:05 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.1009
    Also well documented that the Hubei Province Districts Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (May-Dec 2019)was moving into new building near the Huanan market in 2019 - they probably got themselves some new PCRmachines then. The WIV also something of a work in progress so there are reasons that there amy have beenbumps in equipment purchases then.
  13. 2021-09-29 05:09 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.1009
    And the fact the spending was going up by 10M a year in the previous years.