Private channel session 1308

15 messages over 46m, 2021-04-30 – 2021-04-30.

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1. 2021-04-30 14:13 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.739
   It's extraordinary that Jamie's letter still rattles on about RaTG13. When will they learn? They also want to know why Shi didn't mention the FCS in her 1st Nature paper...well no one spotted that until about 2 weeks after the sequence release. Initially, it was just about getting the sequence out as quickly as possible.
2. 2021-04-30 14:30 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.740
   Shi must have been hoping that no one would notice it.
3. 2021-04-30 14:37 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.740
   It's the same pile of shit and garbage. Filled with accusations of conspiracies, cover-ups, unmanaged CoI, widespread falsification of data and lies. Yet, call this a conspiracy theory and they somehow become the aggrievedparties. Also based on poor understanding of basic virology and biology. Simply a massive distraction - it is awonder that serious journos consider this "credible."
4. 2021-04-30 14:38 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.740
   Perfect summation Bob!
5. 2021-04-30 14:39 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.740
   Yeah, I thought they maybe had something new - and then I saw the first line of their "demands".... :face_with_rolling_eyes:
6. 2021-04-30 14:39 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.740
   I _do_ wish Shi would put that fucking database back up though - I don't understand what that is about.
7. 2021-04-30 14:40 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.740
   DISTRACT keeps milking that one and they get credit for it every time.
8. 2021-04-30 14:48 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.740
   It may not be Shi. I agree that it's not a good look and could easily be fixed. Although, I do like the idea of the Chinese military putting the viruses they are working on in a publicly accessible database (and presenting their asposters at a conference while in uniform).
9. 2021-04-30 14:51 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.740
   Open Science like all the hipsters are doing
10. 2021-04-30 14:52 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.740
    Hey @Robert Garry I got the poster today. Many thanks! [shared file(s): CF45E72C-980B-482C-A12C-C5216D485945_1_105_c.jpeg]
11. 2021-04-30 14:52 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.740
    The issue is - it goes with their narrative that they were digging around mines and in fact already had the virus in the lab
12. 2021-04-30 14:55 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.740
    Oh there's an amazing conspiracy if you want to see it. I can't see WIV releasing any info as it will be a loss of face.
13. 2021-04-30 14:56 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.741
    Presumably if SARS-CoV-2 was in their database they'd just delete it...
14. 2021-04-30 14:56 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.741
    And yeah, I agree - they have nothing to gain and everything to lose since I'm sure if they released it, DISTRACT would just move the goal post - as they always do. Still bothers me though.
15. 2021-04-30 15:00 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.741
    You're totally right: ALL the data needs to be released. But I don't think they are doing it to cover-up, I think they are doing it for pride.