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selling live turtles, who had moved from Huanan, did talk to me for a few minutes until she started blaming the US military for the outbreak ... Have been trying to find out what's happened with the big wildlife market in Qingyuan, Guangdong. This from Peter Li's [HSI] recent book on Animal Welfare in China ... _In 2017, the Conghua market was moved to Qingyuan, 62 miles north of Guangzhou. Like most other wildlife markets, the new market has largely been beyond the reach of Chinese laws. Reported illegal sales have rarely been prosecuted (Yi Weekly 2020; Shanshui Nature Protection Center 2020 B)._ It was supposedly "rectified" after Covid hit Wuhan, but not sure what's going on there now. Most of the more illicit stuff at Conghua had been done under the counter or out of vans and trucks near the market. It was rumored to be relocated but ... a report from July last year debunked that: https://xw.qq.com/cmsid/20200722A0Z9IO00 http://www.gdqy.gov.cn/xxgk/zzjg/zfjg/qysscjdglj/xxgk/tablyjgk/content/post_1288169.html Peter told me that people on the ground in Wuhan were seeing live wildlife at Huanan market for years, so confirms your finding, and up through 2019. Speaking to those people though would be risky to them, so he did not put me in contact. There used to be a huge one in the heart of Guangzhou that I once saw people selling tiger paws outside of but that place has largely been closed down, and I think it prompted the move of most of that stuff to that Conghua place. I may be going back up soon and thinking of stopping at Qingyuan on the way. Going to try to visit several mink farms in Hubei and that one place that has a pangolin license. Calling doesn't work. We've tried." [2021-05-18 01:27:55] [Eddie Holmes] [thread - ID: 2021-05-18 01:27:55] 3. Did you get this? Professor Sheldon Lee Glashow has a Nobel Prize. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-05-18 at 6.26.44 pm.png] [2021-05-18 02:23:53] [Eddie Holmes] 4. And then I asked the journo to follow the mink: [2021-05-18 02:24:01] [Eddie Holmes] "There are around five of them that I'd like to check out [one area has two, and that area supplied Huanan market; another has one, also an area supplying the market], and they were the only ones that popped up in Hubei in a commercial registry search. Most are around Wuhan, with the furthest three hours away, and all were licensed for other wildlife as well. That's basically what I want to find out as well: Were your animals ever tested? Same with the pangolin breeder. We were able to talk to a couple in Yunnan by phone who did say animals were tested there. Others just hang up though. The Humane Society International inspections of mink and other fur facilities in the northeast showed that none there were tested and there were no biosecurity measures in place, their researchers were just able to walk right in and talk to the breeders. That was just late last year. Just waiting on the go-ahead from The Guardian. They thought it was too risky to go out to farms the last time I was up there, but I think it will be fine." [2021-05-18 03:55:19] [Andrew Rambaut] [thread - ID: 2021-05-18 01:27:55] Just got this too. My worry is that they will set up a counter point letter from nutters. [2021-05-18 03:59:33] [Eddie Holmes]