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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), pp.139-140 · baric_ti:utt:01151

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Ralph S. Baric

So they may have sequences of those viruses, and then you might say, eureka, those are the SARS-2 strains, but they didn't transmit. They were super virulent, and they did not transmit. So they might have things in there that they feel are very sensitive, and their government may feel that are very sensitive. So yeah, I would've liked to have seen it, certainly. But again, I think anybody thinking logically from a national DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com security point of view and national sovereignty, that they may lock it down. I don't think it was the right thing to do. I think they should have made it available.

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2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I mean, if they really wanted to conclusively demonstrate that the virus did not come out of the laboratory, they could have made that available. The problem is for example, is they may have things in there that they don't want to share, and the immediate thing that comes to mind is the Mojiang mine in Yunnan, where six miners were infected with virus. Two reports from Chinese researchers say it's a SARS coronavirus-like virus. Some DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com of those patients were in the acute phase, and the Chinese are too good not to have sequenced those viruses.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

And it went down before, right? I can't remember.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

They may not have published them. But the important thing for the U.S. government to realize is they are as good as us in recombinant DNA technology. It is no longer the U.S. is massively in the lead. So their deep sequencing capability is second to none. Their capacity to sequence at least some of those viruses from those patients should have been done. Now, they claimed that it's a fungal infection. Fungal infections can occur after acute infection. The virus has cleared and then you get a fungal infection. Okay. So they didn't lie. They just didn't tell the whole truth.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Probably.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric

So they may have sequences of those viruses, and then you might say, eureka, those are the SARS-2 strains, but they didn't transmit. They were super virulent, and they did not transmit. So they might have things in there that they feel are very sensitive, and their government may feel that are very sensitive. So yeah, I would've liked to have seen it, certainly. But again, I think anybody thinking logically from a national DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com security point of view and national sovereignty, that they may lock it down. I don't think it was the right thing to do. I think they should have made it available.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Okay.
2026-04-10 09:00 David T. Lambeth III open

Are we about to go off?
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Yeah.
2026-04-10 09:00 David T. Lambeth III open

Just one thing before we go off the record. We did check UNC's records and there is no record of Autonomous Therapeutics funding the Baric Lab.

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