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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.95 · baric_ti:utt:00835

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Date
2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type
transcript segment · interview
recipient
Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker
Ralph S. Baric
I would have, but I would also be uncertain that they would do that.

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  1. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    That part would be done by me.
  2. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    Okay. DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com
  3. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    Well, at least that's the way the grant was written initially. Whether that would have functionally happened is a fair question, because if the Chinese discovered the virus, the question always exists whether they would share it with me to do that work or not.
  4. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    If you were on the proposal, you would have expected that they would?
  5. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric
    I would have, but I would also be uncertain that they would do that.
  6. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    And so you said that it would be -- this was gain-of-function. This proposal -- because this is the first time I'm hearing that -- because, I mean, PREEMPT, there were grants that were funded. So DEFUSE wasn't. But this is the first time I'm hearing that the actual call, the BAA was asking for --
  7. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    It was asking to understand cross-species movement of viruses down to the nucleotide level. And my interpretation of that was gain-of-function, and they discuss gain-of-function. Now, I found it very interesting that the letter that they provided shortly thereafter said that the experiments were DURC. DURC is Dual-Use Research of Concern. involving 15 pathogens, none of which is a coronavirus. So I never saw that letter in the review. Now, Peter Daszak may have gotten that letter, but we were told the main reason the grant was rejected was that we DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com proposed to do intervention studies in the bat caves, and they had said they wanted to do this in a more controlled setting.
  8. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    In the laboratory?
  9. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    In a laboratory setting.

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