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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.61 · baric_ti:utt:00494

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Ralph S. Baric
Topics: Natural origin / zoonotic spillover

Natural origins, laboratory escape, and genetic engineering.

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2026-04-10 09:00 Clark Ervin open

We have 4 1/2 hours --
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Can I just ask, that presentation, did you present three different potential origin options?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Yes.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

And what were they?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric

Natural origins, laboratory escape, and genetic engineering.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Okay. And then was that your position - - when you presented it, was it these are all of the DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com possible options? Was it these are the likely options? This is one I think is more likely than not?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Oh --
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

At that time did you have a position?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Yes. I put it in that order. Most likely natural origin, I couldn't rule out laboratory escape. Genetic engineering was unlikely, but it needed to be reviewed by evolutionary biologists.