Private channel session 1499

20 messages over 2h 4m, 2021-06-09 – 2021-06-09.

A “conversation” here is an activity session — a run of messages with under 60 minutes of silence inside it. The channel had no native conversation boundaries.

2021-06-09 15:37 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.937

Got this. He's a total piece of shit. I can either ignore him - in which case there might be some story that I am hiding stuff - or tell him that it was the presence of restriction enzyme sites and the reduced diversity near them which wethen released were the reddest of herrings. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-06-10 at 8.33.29 am.png]
2021-06-09 15:39 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.937

It's the stuff in your Twitter thread Kristian.
2021-06-09 16:13 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.937

Yeah, I'd just point him to my tweet - it's here: https://web.archive.org/web/20210607101425if_/https://twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/status/1400892933130256384
2021-06-09 16:13 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.937

If he's got further questions, he can go ahead and do the alignment himself.
2021-06-09 16:14 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.937

Thanks! Send him that.
2021-06-09 16:16 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.937

Yeah, I'd just email him saying that it was "the restriction site as Kristian described here: XX".
2021-06-09 16:18 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.937

On it!
2021-06-09 16:18 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.937

He's such a turd - the worst.
2021-06-09 16:19 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.937

Total turd. BUT it would be good to show we are no hiding stuff.
2021-06-09 16:26 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.938

Talking about turds. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-06-09 at 16.26.07.png]
2021-06-09 16:27 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.938

Makes me sick.
2021-06-09 16:36 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.938

But I'm just a China stooge [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-06-10 at 9.35.09 am.png]
2021-06-09 16:46 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.938

eDim is polluting the twitter with his rhetoric.
2021-06-09 16:50 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.938

Yes, pure hate. I'd take my CV down but then I'll just get accused of covering things up.
2021-06-09 17:03 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.938

Bob / Eddie (and Andrew - but I assume he's :zzz:) - any chance the two of you would have time to take a quick lookat a document I'm preparing for Jim / NYTimes. It's about recent events and it's the only interview I'll take, so just want to make sure I don't get anything wrong.
2021-06-09 17:03 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.938

Sure, pass it on.
2021-06-09 17:04 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.938

Thanks - just shared the doc. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F7T48AATRUu2ItnzDqIBaakxDYSVGWlwAXYzAZz7dhU/edit?usp=sharing
2021-06-09 17:35 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.938

Looks good. A few things: (i) our Nature Medicine article was not an official policy document or an official statement -it was a just a scientific paper by a group of scientists; (ii) he is focused on one line in the paper but we also clearly say that is 'currently impossible' to prove or disprove other theories so were obviously open to more data and changing evidence; (iii) might say that the pangolin data - which coincidentally appeared at the same time because Iwas an author on the Lam et al. paper - was very helpful in suggesting a natural origin; (iv) it's ludicrous to suggest that our paper shut down research into a lab escape as the govt bodies were obviously still going on with this. Ifscientists want to publish counter data/evidence they had ever right to. We're not stopping them. We don't control and police the whole field. We are being assigned some sort of power that we just don't have!!
2021-06-09 17:37 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.938

Very good, thanks Eddie. Yeah, it's ludicrous to suggest we somehow shut down the conversation - come on! Race to the bottom.
2021-06-09 17:41 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.938

Agreed. That point needs to be made very clearly and very strongly.