Private channel session 411

11 messages over —, 2020-09-20 – 2020-09-20.

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2020-09-20 18:57 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.186

Bob, time for your first Virological post... this is important :wink: SLACK_000401
2020-09-20 18:57 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.187

Thanks - will do - need to dig a bit deeper...but yes insertion is what it looks like...
2020-09-20 18:57 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.187

Topic: Special Seminar by Dr. Zhengli Shi Time: Sep 21, 2020 09:00 AM Eastern Time (US and Canada) Join Zoom Meeting https://umaryland.zoom.us/j/91277177632?pwd=NEJtdUdKQ1ZNUVQ4ZWUDYjVIVi9IUTO9 ne tap mobile
2020-09-20 18:57 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.187

Good seminar - - very solid scientist - they have a lot of new bat-CoVs - she also got several questions re Yan/Chan
2020-09-20 18:57 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.187

Cool - I unfortunately missed it, because, well, 6am. How did she handle the questions about Yan?
2020-09-20 18:57 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.187

Good to hear. Looking forward to seeing those new bat CoVs.
2020-09-20 18:57 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.187

Graciously - but you could certainly tell that it was getting wearisome dealing with the questions. All you can do withfaced with the nonsense is say it's not true and that the evidence is faulty - try to keep to the science/facts. BUT -Liar's Dividend is a real thing - fakes and frauds know that they are more than likely going to get away with it even ifthey eventually are proven wrong. At that point they can claim victimhood and in the meanwhile they get the attention they crave.
2020-09-20 18:57 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.187

Simultaneous responses - but yeah seems like they have sequences and samples from 10s of 1,000s of bats from most provinces.
2020-09-20 18:57 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.187

What people like Alina don't realise is that they are effectively calling Shi and a lot of other people liars. She does notcomprehend the hurt and monumental waste of time she is causing.
2020-09-20 18:57 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.187

I'd entertain the possibility that she does realize it and just doesn't care and thinks it's a good career move [it's really not].
2020-09-20 18:57 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.187

It's an "end of career" move - she just hasn't realized it yet... What's so annoying with her and other folks doing the same is that they just don't understand this type of work. They don't understand the viruses ("isn't that FCS peculiar". "Isn't it peculiar that we haven't identified the reservoir yet") and the technology ("why does this sample have less bacterial reads"). People doing this type of work knows, but to amateurs it all looks mysterious... One thing we can definitely say for sure based on the raw RaTG13 sequence - this thing wasn't cultured. If it was,itd have way way higher coverage. It's all just really dumb.