--- type: Conversation title: Private channel session 1786 description: "slack conversation, 36 messages, 2022-05-31." tags: - conversation - slack medium: slack message_count: 36 started_at: "2022-05-31T13:06:37" ended_at: "2022-05-31T14:58:13" duration_seconds: 6696 sources: - { id: slack_pm, resource: /sources/slack-pm.md, title: Slack / Private Message Drop, author: "process:senate-hsgac-release" } generated: { by: randpaul-corpus-pipeline/1.0, at: "2026-08-01T12:42:27Z" } status: stable --- A slack conversation of 36 messages spanning 1h 51m. # Metadata - **Started:** 2022-05-31T13:06:37 - **Ended:** 2022-05-31T14:58:13 - **Duration:** 1h 51m - **Participants:** 3 - **Source:** [slack_pm](/sources/slack-pm.md) - **Pages:** 1118-1121 # Participants * [Andrew Rambaut](/people/andrew-rambaut.md) * [Edward C. Holmes](/people/edward-c-holmes.md) * [Kristian G. Andersen](/people/kristian-g-andersen.md) * [Robert F. Garry](/people/robert-f-garry.md) # Transcript **[2022-05-31T13:06:37] Robert F. Garry:** Emily found my email address too - she's going to get the same response as @Andrew Rambaut [shared file(s): image.png] **[2022-05-31T13:08:50] Kristian G. Andersen:** What's this Feb 7 meeting again? **[2022-05-31T13:11:08] Robert F. Garry:** Feb 1 was a bunch of scientists talking - not a big deal. Not sure about Feb 7. - that as a date of one of the PO1drafts not a mtg. As usual Plops gets it wrong. **[2022-05-31T13:12:45] Robert F. Garry:** good job on the R2R - anything else a red flag? **[2022-05-31T13:13:32] Kristian G. Andersen:** Nope, we're good with the R2R - just need to make sure the right figures/tables are included. Everything else readyto go - just waiting for Mike to push the button. **[2022-05-31T13:14:34] Robert F. Garry:** Somehow I think this was harder than it had to be - but good to be at this point... **[2022-05-31T13:14:55] Kristian G. Andersen:** Agreed... **[2022-05-31T13:15:19] Kristian G. Andersen:** Our Feb 6 conclusion, btw. ```"The evolution scenarios discussed above are largely indistinguishable and current data are consistent with all three. It is currently impossible to prove or disprove either, and it is unclear whether future data or analyses will help resolve this issue. Identifying the immediate non-human animal source and obtaining virus sequences from it wouldbe the most definitive way of distinguishing the three scenarios. The main limitation of what is described here is our clear ascertainment bias. We are looking for features orevolutionary aspects that could help explain how 2019-nCoV lead to such a rapidly expanding human epidemic, yet the specific features we are… **[2022-05-31T13:16:18] Kristian G. Andersen:** But, we were settled on "engineering" at that point. ```Analysis of the virus genome sequences clearly demonstrates that the virus is not a laboratory construct or experimentally manipulated virus``` **[2022-05-31T13:18:29] Robert F. Garry:** Yup - the multi-transfer hypothesis - I think this got cut from PO1 - brilliant though in hindsight... **[2022-05-31T13:21:09] Kristian G. Andersen:** Yup - we were on-point pretty darn quickly. Honestly, the way I remember it, it took us longer - but those were someveeeeeeeeeeeery long days, I do remember that! **[2022-05-31T13:25:28] Robert F. Garry:** what's remarkable is the amt of speculation about that call and then PO1 itself - just crazy. But, I suspect we'll get torevisit all this again - and then probably again - under oath...which will be just fine... **[2022-05-31T13:27:33] Robert F. Garry:** BTW isJOsh Levy making progress on revising the figures? Sone iof the font sizes are way to small and Science willbe picky... **[2022-05-31T13:30:38] Kristian G. Andersen:** I think we'll wait until the proof - full focus on getting the submit button pushed as fast as possible.. :wink: **[2022-05-31T13:39:22] Robert F. Garry:** OK **[2022-05-31T13:44:12] Robert F. Garry:** Hangup is making one combined reference list and getting the supplemental material references into the style of Science. **[2022-05-31T13:44:19] Robert F. Garry:** i think **[2022-05-31T13:58:24] Robert F. Garry:** progress.... **[2022-05-31T14:02:45] Edward C. Holmes:** Has there ever been a scientific paper discussed as much as PO1? **[2022-05-31T14:07:10] Kristian G. Andersen:** On the Origin of Species. Close second. **[2022-05-31T14:07:27] Edward C. Holmes:** That's a book. **[2022-05-31T14:07:42] Kristian G. Andersen:** Dammit. **[2022-05-31T14:07:58] Edward C. Holmes:** Bad luck Chaz. **[2022-05-31T14:08:57] Edward C. Holmes:** I'd like to see some FOIA requests between Darwin and Wallace. **[2022-05-31T14:21:22] Edward C. Holmes:** Unrelated, but I note that monkeypox is ranked 24th on the risk list, below rabies for which human-to-human transmission has never been reported. **[2022-05-31T14:31:50] Edward C. Holmes:** Sorry, I meant on that Spillover tool rank list **[2022-05-31T14:36:08] Kristian G. Andersen:** GVP crap, right? **[2022-05-31T14:40:17] Robert F. Garry:** yes **[2022-05-31T14:46:10] Edward C. Holmes:** Yes, GVP + PREDICT crap. Another one they missed. **[2022-05-31T14:46:38] Robert F. Garry:** https://twitter.com/curefinder/status/1531716517724921857 seems that eDim is hooked up with covidfaker today as well. **[2022-05-31T14:51:32] Robert F. Garry:** Talk about a toxic gumbo... **[2022-05-31T14:51:34] Kristian G. Andersen:** Lol. Just connecting dots... **[2022-05-31T14:52:27] Edward C. Holmes:** It's actually shocking to read this. Extraordinary. **[2022-05-31T14:54:22] Kristian G. Andersen:** Yup. It's as if people have lost their minds. :shrug: **[2022-05-31T14:57:28] Robert F. Garry:** @Kristian Andersen not so super-villains unite... **[2022-05-31T14:58:13] Edward C. Holmes:** Absolute madness.