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title: Private channel session 1641
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A slack conversation of 13 messages spanning 0h 53m.

# Metadata

- **Started:** 2021-10-12T14:10:48
- **Ended:** 2021-10-12T15:04:31
- **Duration:** 0h 53m
- **Participants:** 4
- **Source:** [slack_pm](/sources/slack-pm.md)
- **Pages:** 1018-1020

# Participants

* [Andrew Rambaut](/people/andrew-rambaut.md)
* [Edward C. Holmes](/people/edward-c-holmes.md)
* [Kristian G. Andersen](/people/kristian-g-andersen.md)
* [Robert F. Garry](/people/robert-f-garry.md)

# Transcript

**[2021-10-12T14:10:48] Robert F. Garry:** Honestly though, fuck Alina and her privacy invasion - good grief. Scientists need to be able to communicate in private without fear of some asshole coming back later and pointing out shit with perfect hindsight. @Kristian Andersen pointed me to this general area above. Turns out - yeah Delta - Lessons learned - who knew that yes we totally should have been freaking out! [shared file(s): image.png]

**[2021-10-12T14:15:49] Kristian G. Andersen:** I still maintain that everything we said there was true - based on available evidence at the time, there was no reasonto freak out. Just look at the recent headlines from Newsweek on mutations...

**[2021-10-12T14:18:41] Robert F. Garry:** Agreed - my point exactly - all perfectly true and reasonable!

**[2021-10-12T14:20:40] Robert F. Garry:** But, idiots like 4$ would have a field day.

**[2021-10-12T14:29:19] Kristian G. Andersen:** Yup.

**[2021-10-12T14:29:59] Andrew Rambaut:** Delta is not the double mutant. It doesn't have E484Q

**[2021-10-12T14:40:13] Edward C. Holmes:** It does make my blood boil that Alina - who has legitiised hate and attacks on scientists - is featured as a victim inthat Nature piece. No doubt she will milk this on Twitter. She has done more than anyone to create a narrative that ifyou a believe in a natural origin you are part of a conspiracy.

**[2021-10-12T14:47:09] Kristian G. Andersen:** I'll be emailing Nature as soon as this comes out to point that out - they have been asking us to fill out the questionary multiple times, but I never did. But not to realize that Alina is one of the ring leaders in _exactly what the article is about_ is pretty astonishing.

**[2021-10-12T14:48:17] Kristian G. Andersen:** I guess Richard maybe only emailed Bob and myself... [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-10-12 at 14.47.41.png]

**[2021-10-12T14:49:42] Edward C. Holmes:** I never got that

**[2021-10-12T14:49:44] Kristian G. Andersen:** What we really need an exposé on is the bullshit 4$Chan and eDim are doing - that's by far the biggest problem here, not you random fat angry guy from Texas sitting on his couch in his underpants while screaming at his screen about the "dumb elites!!"

**[2021-10-12T15:02:57] Robert F. Garry:** @Andrew Rambaut Glad you're keeping track :wink: - I lose track - interesting how Delta outcompeted Kappa.

**[2021-10-12T15:04:31] Kristian G. Andersen:** @Andrew Rambaut All because of P681R? I doubt it - I think this bugger might have some tricks outside that spike protein we so fondly focus on...