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A slack conversation of 22 messages spanning 2h 44m.

# Metadata

- **Started:** 2021-05-28T12:56:07
- **Ended:** 2021-05-28T15:40:10
- **Duration:** 2h 44m
- **Participants:** 3
- **Source:** [slack_pm](/sources/slack-pm.md)
- **Pages:** 889-891

# Participants

* [Andrew Rambaut](/people/andrew-rambaut.md)
* [Edward C. Holmes](/people/edward-c-holmes.md)
* [Kristian G. Andersen](/people/kristian-g-andersen.md)
* [Robert F. Garry](/people/robert-f-garry.md)

# Transcript

**[2021-05-28T12:56:07] Robert F. Garry:** https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/bies.202100015

**[2021-05-28T12:57:34] Robert F. Garry:** Another Dynamic Duo: Rosanna and Yurie claiming the sequences must be fake.

**[2021-05-28T12:58:51] Kristian G. Andersen:** NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY BOB, NOT A CONSPIRACY!!!! I'm just asking questions...

**[2021-05-28T13:15:10] Kristian G. Andersen:** A little shaky, but some helpful comments from Relman and Baric on their true beliefs. https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/the-sudden-rise-of-the-coronavirus-lab-leak-theory

**[2021-05-28T13:15:28] Kristian G. Andersen:** Here's Relman with his main argument... I'll let you be the judge. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-05-28 at 1.14.15PM.png]

**[2021-05-28T13:57:29] Robert F. Garry:** Strikes me as a little odd that Relman would believe that this was a little odd.

**[2021-05-28T14:00:19] Kristian G. Andersen:** Exactly - but if you have either (a) not looked at the data, or (b) don't understand the data, this would be a very logical standpoint. But here's the problem - it's uninformed.

**[2021-05-28T14:03:53] Robert F. Garry:** But hey - mission accomplished - they are getting a lot of time in the media. All the stuff that Amy wrote about is nota consideration.

**[2021-05-28T14:22:21] Edward C. Holmes:** How are BioEssays able to publish this nonsense?

**[2021-05-28T14:29:42] Edward C. Holmes:** I'm genuinely ashamed to be a scientist at the moment. We look like total dick heads. What ever happen to reason?

**[2021-05-28T14:36:48] Kristian G. Andersen:** Reason, data, evidence, statistics - come on man, opinion is what matters!

**[2021-05-28T14:36:51] Edward C. Holmes:** https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-28/aussie-who-investigator-defends-wuhan-study/100175292

**[2021-05-28T14:37:25] Edward C. Holmes:** Good old Dom

**[2021-05-28T14:37:41] Kristian G. Andersen:** Poor Dom... :wink:

**[2021-05-28T14:38:18] Kristian G. Andersen:** Just came across this oldie but goodie. Do yourself a favor and read it - and then ask yourself this question "Since then, what new data have we gotten to support a lab leak?".https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/114720192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf

**[2021-05-28T14:39:08] Kristian G. Andersen:** I love how simple the paper is - I also love the fact that the paper was named "nCov_Lancet". I guess it never got published :slightly_smiling_face:

**[2021-05-28T14:45:27] Edward C. Holmes:** Ha, spot on. Nothing whatsoever.

**[2021-05-28T14:48:35] Edward C. Holmes:** Did you write :writing_hand: the first reply to your Twitter post?:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing::rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

**[2021-05-28T14:51:07] Kristian G. Andersen:** So good - captures everything in <100 chars :wink:

**[2021-05-28T15:29:27] Kristian G. Andersen:** I love this old bit about the SARS hunt - exactly the same question people have brought up as being suspicious about SARS2. We still don't know exactly how SARS got from Yunnan to Guangdong (but, animal trading a very likely explanation...). https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-07766-9 [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-05-28 at 3.27.47 PM.png]

**[2021-05-28T15:38:49] Edward C. Holmes:** Oh that's fabulous

**[2021-05-28T15:40:10] Kristian G. Andersen:** Watch this. https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000001183275/the-umbrella-man.html