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title: Private channel session 1377
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A slack conversation of 15 messages spanning 3h 59m.

# Metadata

- **Started:** 2021-05-14T15:19:34
- **Ended:** 2021-05-14T19:18:52
- **Duration:** 3h 59m
- **Participants:** 3
- **Source:** [slack_pm](/sources/slack-pm.md)
- **Pages:** 814-815

# Participants

* [Andrew Rambaut](/people/andrew-rambaut.md)
* [Edward C. Holmes](/people/edward-c-holmes.md)
* [Kristian G. Andersen](/people/kristian-g-andersen.md)
* [Robert F. Garry](/people/robert-f-garry.md)

# Transcript

**[2021-05-14T15:19:34] Kristian G. Andersen:** Working with Jon Cohen on some potential back channel to China. We'll see...

**[2021-05-14T15:20:39] Edward C. Holmes:** Exactly. They don't get it at all. I'm working the back channels as well.

**[2021-05-14T15:23:12] Robert F. Garry:** Science will indeed prevail. As stated, there is no science that supports the Bloomshitters. In point of fact their nonsense and accusations are tremendously antiscience on many levels. The problem [and @Kristian Andersen has reminded me many times re covidfaker] and it's challenging - is not to sink to their levels. Eventually, they will take themselves out of the game...

**[2021-05-14T15:40:12] Robert F. Garry:** Angie I believe was keen to set up CC mouse experiments. Not too surprising to see a cytokine receptor pop as a discriminator of more severe disease in mice.

**[2021-05-14T15:52:51] Kristian G. Andersen:** Baric is trying to deflect attention away from himself and threw an old collaborator under the bus. Not going to work - it's going to come right back at him.

**[2021-05-14T16:01:39] Edward C. Holmes:** Totally. He really is the lowest of the low.

**[2021-05-14T16:50:28] Kristian G. Andersen:** Hah, this is very sweet from Jeremy L. [shared file(s): -]

**[2021-05-14T17:12:55] Edward C. Holmes:** That's great.

**[2021-05-14T17:48:08] Robert F. Garry:** we're for now the "silent majority"

**[2021-05-14T18:06:56] Kristian G. Andersen:** Please, please, please do yourself a favor and go through these - he is tearing apart Alina, The Seeker, and all the other Bloomshitters. He is so unbelievably good - I mean, I have a fair bit of experience in this space having battledcreationists for years, but this is just well beyond my skill set.https://twitter.com/acritschristoph/with_replies

**[2021-05-14T18:07:47] Kristian G. Andersen:** E.g., [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-05-14 at 6.00.45 PM.png]

**[2021-05-14T18:08:58] Kristian G. Andersen:** shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-05-14 at 6.08.43 PM.png

**[2021-05-14T18:22:15] Kristian G. Andersen:** And this very key point - which was Zhengli's point too... I wish more people would understand this. https://twitter.com/acritschristoph/status/1392556682157326336?s=20

**[2021-05-14T18:28:36] Edward C. Holmes:** He's a super-star. I noticed all that stuff about Rs8561 etc. the other day. No where near SARS-CoV-2. All this searching online and they have found nothing closer than RaTG13. I wonder why.

**[2021-05-14T19:18:52] Kristian G. Andersen:** One would think SARS-CoV-2 would have been in that 2019 thesis had they had SARS-CoV-2 in the lab.... It's just extremely dumb - and Alex is very very good at laying that bare. Jesse went on about these "missing viruses" too - I pointed out to him that they are nowhere near SARS-CoV-2 and totally irrelevant as it pertains to the origin. I think he might have ignored me.