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A slack conversation of 18 messages spanning 1h 23m.

# Metadata

- **Started:** 2021-03-22T12:34:47
- **Ended:** 2021-03-22T13:58:42
- **Duration:** 1h 23m
- **Participants:** 3
- **Source:** [slack_pm](/sources/slack-pm.md)
- **Pages:** 615-617

# Participants

* [Andrew Rambaut](/people/andrew-rambaut.md)
* [Edward C. Holmes](/people/edward-c-holmes.md)
* [Kristian G. Andersen](/people/kristian-g-andersen.md)
* [Robert F. Garry](/people/robert-f-garry.md)

# Transcript

**[2021-03-22T12:34:47] Edward C. Holmes:** I spoke to Dominic and he said that China are pushing back against the report hence the delay. ML has been lab escape from Day 1...in fact, he was one of the people that pushed Jeremy into contacting me last January.

**[2021-03-22T12:40:21] Kristian G. Andersen:** shared file(s): Re: Coronavirus research in China

**[2021-03-22T12:40:31] Robert F. Garry:** Not surprising that China is pushing back. Tedros probably made them put lab origins "must be investigated" or language to that effect.

**[2021-03-22T12:40:33] Kristian G. Andersen:** shared file(s): Re: 2019-nCoV

**[2021-03-22T12:40:57] Kristian G. Andersen:** shared file(s): Re: wondering if you have any further thoughts about the lab origin idea

**[2021-03-22T12:41:24] Kristian G. Andersen:** shared file(s): Re: Fact-checking 22 Feb. New York Post article claiming the coronavirus leaked from a lab

**[2021-03-22T12:45:01] Kristian G. Andersen:** Had some back and forth with Marc on this early least year :point_up_2:. Civil - but a lot of the stuff he discussed about the WIV research was naive (e.g., not realizing that pseudotyped viruses don't constitute a risk, not knowing many of these viruses are replication incompetent, etc.). Too much naiveté going on (from many, many scientists), which is really pissing me off. It's starting to look like Iraq WMD, but this time driven, not by generals (they already concluded it didn't come from the lab), but political pundits and scientists. Troubling - at least the latter category should know better. I mean -Jesse Bloom just tweeted an article about covert bioweapons programs!!! And look at…

**[2021-03-22T12:59:45] Edward C. Holmes:** Yes, the Chinese military gets an academic institution in Wuhan which has a load of international experts advise onthe construction of a BSL4 lab construct a bioweapon on a random bat coronavirus and let them publish on related viruses. That's definitely what happened.

**[2021-03-22T13:03:37] Kristian G. Andersen:** Yes, definitely, and also, there's an A in both Wuh*a*n and L*a*b - I mean, what ARE the odds?? Lab leak = only logical conclusion based on available evidence.

**[2021-03-22T13:06:24] Edward C. Holmes:** And in sArs! Spooky.

**[2021-03-22T13:08:27] Kristian G. Andersen:** SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**[2021-03-22T13:13:56] Edward C. Holmes:** Secret And Risky Science - CoVert

**[2021-03-22T13:14:44] Robert F. Garry:** That pretty much nails it Eddie!

**[2021-03-22T13:17:03] Edward C. Holmes:** Weaponising Infectious Viruses

**[2021-03-22T13:17:20] Edward C. Holmes:** It's all there if you look hard enough!

**[2021-03-22T13:18:09] Robert F. Garry:** Right before our eyes all this time!

**[2021-03-22T13:55:22] Robert F. Garry:** decent reporting:https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3126473/jitters-china-who-counts-down-covid-19 -origins-report-release

**[2021-03-22T13:58:42] Edward C. Holmes:** Yes, Simone is sensible.