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title: Private channel session 990
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A slack conversation of 29 messages spanning 1h 14m.

# Metadata

- **Started:** 2021-02-17T13:45:07
- **Ended:** 2021-02-17T14:59:22
- **Duration:** 1h 14m
- **Participants:** 4
- **Source:** [slack_pm](/sources/slack-pm.md)
- **Pages:** 521-523

# Participants

* [Andrew Rambaut](/people/andrew-rambaut.md)
* [Edward C. Holmes](/people/edward-c-holmes.md)
* [Kristian G. Andersen](/people/kristian-g-andersen.md)
* [Robert F. Garry](/people/robert-f-garry.md)

# Transcript

**[2021-02-17T13:45:07] Andrew Rambaut:** Ah Laura.. [shared file(s): image.png]

**[2021-02-17T13:45:35] Andrew Rambaut:** Your silly mutation nicknames are too white and you didn't consult the ICTV!

**[2021-02-17T13:45:55] Kristian G. Andersen:** Lol

**[2021-02-17T13:55:20] Kristian G. Andersen:** https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/17/uk-to-begin-worlds-first-covid-human-challenge-study-within-weeks ?CMP=share_btn_tw

**[2021-02-17T13:56:01] Kristian G. Andersen:** "They will be exposed to the coronavirus in a safe, controlled environment". Define "safe". :wink:

**[2021-02-17T14:06:25] Robert F. Garry:** NellY - (black rapper), Pooh (a talking Bear), EeeK (what you would do if a bear talked to you) , LeiF (dead Norseman). KaitlyN, DorA, But OK maybe go with DenG instead of Doug.

**[2021-02-17T14:08:37] Robert F. Garry:** :face_with_rolling_eyes:

**[2021-02-17T14:09:50] Andrew Rambaut:** This is getting mental: [shared file(s): image.png]

**[2021-02-17T14:13:58] Kristian G. Andersen:** She's a plant biologist and TED fellow Andrew - you're never gonna win.

**[2021-02-17T14:14:40] Andrew Rambaut:** I know her twitter rants well.

**[2021-02-17T14:15:45] Kristian G. Andersen:** I don't know her - but I was just on a three hour meeting with Bette Korber so I can't take any more ranting today.:firecracker:

**[2021-02-17T14:17:57] Kristian G. Andersen:** I get the sense Aine's got this one down though.:clap: [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-02-17 at 2.17.23 PM.png]

**[2021-02-17T14:18:24] Andrew Rambaut:** Ooh yours must have been the call she had to leave mine to go to.

**[2021-02-17T14:19:02] Andrew Rambaut:** (Korber, I mean)

**[2021-02-17T14:19:16] Robert F. Garry:** Laura seems nice. Good sense of humor. Grounded. Knows what's important. Doesn't sweat the small stuff. Focused.

**[2021-02-17T14:19:32] Andrew Rambaut:** That totally sums her up.

**[2021-02-17T14:19:49] Andrew Rambaut:** Oli, Nick and I were talking to Korber about your recombination problem in California

**[2021-02-17T14:20:58] Kristian G. Andersen:** She would give zero information - what does she have?

**[2021-02-17T14:28:55] Andrew Rambaut:** Yup.

**[2021-02-17T14:29:07] Andrew Rambaut:** She told us how you find recombination

**[2021-02-17T14:31:09] Andrew Rambaut:** Basically they have lots of recurrent mutations (I say, they have - I mean they have found in other people's data). Most are clearly just homoplasies being brought up by epistatic effects. Their only argument is that they are rare globally.

**[2021-02-17T14:33:35] Andrew Rambaut:** She showed one picture that looked like a convincing case because it had 2 parents and good tracts of recombination (i.e., the entire spike) but was either a lab artifact, or a coinfected individual with a messed upconsensus or an actual unusual recombination. None of it matters though - clearly recombination is massively important to within host evolution and vanishingly unimportant to population evolution except in so far as the first leads to the second

**[2021-02-17T14:34:58] Edward C. Holmes:** As for Laura Boykin - idiotic nonsense. I'm not sure how B.1.1.7 counts as white.

**[2021-02-17T14:35:24] Andrew Rambaut:** I think she is confused.

**[2021-02-17T14:35:40] Edward C. Holmes:** @Robert Garry I've gone through the text again Bob - looks good. I'm happy with the cuts.

**[2021-02-17T14:37:18] Robert F. Garry:** THANKS Eddie _ I'll clean it up a bit more for Andrew and Kristian...

**[2021-02-17T14:44:09] Kristian G. Andersen:** @Andrew Rambaut Very clear... Glad she had a chance to teach you how to do it properly.

**[2021-02-17T14:58:45] Robert F. Garry:** https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.05.429982v1

**[2021-02-17T14:59:22] Kristian G. Andersen:** Ohhhhhh, we rock SO much! :boom: