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title: Private channel session 960
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A slack conversation of 20 messages spanning 6h 25m.

# Metadata

- **Started:** 2021-02-11T11:57:19
- **Ended:** 2021-02-11T18:22:21
- **Duration:** 6h 25m
- **Participants:** 4
- **Source:** [slack_pm](/sources/slack-pm.md)
- **Pages:** 508-510

# Participants

* [Andrew Rambaut](/people/andrew-rambaut.md)
* [Edward C. Holmes](/people/edward-c-holmes.md)
* [Kristian G. Andersen](/people/kristian-g-andersen.md)
* [Robert F. Garry](/people/robert-f-garry.md)

# Transcript

**[2021-02-11T11:57:19] Robert F. Garry:** Any luck with the new link Eddie? Kristian may have to do a tech rescue. It possible you might need to log into google I guess.

**[2021-02-11T12:36:04] Edward C. Holmes:** Sorry Bob, I still don't have edit access. I can only view.

**[2021-02-11T12:38:13] Robert F. Garry:** try it now I reversed you gmail holmes.eddie now gave invite.

**[2021-02-11T12:40:17] Edward C. Holmes:** Got it now Bob. All good. I'll try to go over this later today.

**[2021-02-11T12:41:42] Robert F. Garry:** GREAT nothing cast in stone of course - just looking to consolidate the good science and correct some bad science that's out there...

**[2021-02-11T13:27:47] Kristian G. Andersen:** Bob - do you have a pdf of the WSJ article?

**[2021-02-11T13:35:59] Robert F. Garry:** here you go [shared file(s): Possible Early Covid-19 Cases in China Emerge During WHO Mission - WSJ.pdf]

**[2021-02-11T13:52:26] Edward C. Holmes:** Not sure if this is something or nothing. I'll need to have a chat with Dominic.

**[2021-02-11T14:01:07] Andrew Rambaut:** Need the ages. Also why don't they have a hell of a lot more in December? 80 in Oct/Nov would mean 100s in Dec.

**[2021-02-11T14:19:03] Robert F. Garry:** Agree - also agree with this: "Marion Koopmans, a Dutch virologist on the WHO team, echoed that concern. "From what we know about serology, out of 92 cases you would at least have some positives," she said." She right - if they were doing the tests right there would be some positives. What about that Italian4 year old with the supposed positive pcr - they could test his blood for antibodies. Almost inconceivable they didn't.

**[2021-02-11T15:14:43] Robert F. Garry:** https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/behind-the-scenes-of-donald-mcneils-new-york-times-exit

**[2021-02-11T16:12:20] Edward C. Holmes:** Was he really that important for COVID or is that his self-created myth?

**[2021-02-11T17:08:07] Kristian G. Andersen:** WSJ News Exclusive - Possible Early Covid-19 Cases in China Emerge During WHO Mission! ... wait, we investigated and actually those weren't early COVID-19 cases. But fuck it, we already wrote the article,so here we go. :man-facepalming:

**[2021-02-11T17:14:00] Edward C. Holmes:** The reporting on the WHO mission has been largely shit.

**[2021-02-11T17:27:23] Kristian G. Andersen:** WaPo kinda started the shit slide - but they have been shit about it for quite sometime. Same with WSJ.

**[2021-02-11T18:13:09] Robert F. Garry:** WSJ started it when they published the Chan/Ridley BS. Expected them to take the Trump/China virus line. Yes - WashPost shit editorial opened the shit floodgates. The rest is a mish mash of AntiCCP, antiGOF anti GMO, antiscience agitators.

**[2021-02-11T18:15:43] Robert F. Garry:** Also antianimal research, antiBSL work, and so forth...

**[2021-02-11T18:16:20] Robert F. Garry:** It's a pretty toxic gumbo...

**[2021-02-11T18:21:32] Edward C. Holmes:** Amy Maxmen tweeted this which is great: [shared file(s): Et97R90VcAEGPDX.jpg]

**[2021-02-11T18:22:21] Edward C. Holmes:** A lot of this does seem to be a hangover from the GOF debate of 2012 with added CCP sauce.