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title: Private channel session 502
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A slack conversation of 12 messages spanning 3h 14m.

# Metadata

- **Started:** 2020-10-25T13:52:29
- **Ended:** 2020-10-25T17:07:15
- **Duration:** 3h 14m
- **Participants:** 4
- **Source:** [slack_pm](/sources/slack-pm.md)
- **Pages:** 229-231

# Participants

* [Andrew Rambaut](/people/andrew-rambaut.md)
* [Edward C. Holmes](/people/edward-c-holmes.md)
* [Kristian G. Andersen](/people/kristian-g-andersen.md)
* [Robert F. Garry](/people/robert-f-garry.md)

# Transcript

**[2020-10-25T13:52:29] Robert F. Garry:** More crap - not even subtle... [shared file(s): image.png]

**[2020-10-25T14:09:28] Kristian G. Andersen:** Yup, author sharing - big conspiracy. I'm impressed by how all these scientists - and I guess I'm the Kingpin here -all faked COVID origins. Very clever.I can see she claims RmYN02 is fake too and that nobody can verify it's real, because the data isn't available /genome can't be assembled. Which is funny, since I did that over a month ago...https://virological.org/t/on-the-veracity-of-ratg13/551/8

**[2020-10-25T14:48:37] Edward C. Holmes:** Seems she is directly accusing me. I think I will email Lander. Is there an email address that he might answer.

**[2020-10-25T14:49:00] Edward C. Holmes:** Very close to slander.

**[2020-10-25T14:56:29] Kristian G. Andersen:** It's crossed multiple lines by now. Eric is both at and . Might want to cc Pardis since you know her... (she's )

**[2020-10-25T15:22:40] Edward C. Holmes:** @Eddie Holmes Indeed, EVERY PNAS paper I have reviewed has been shite. Doing another one now.

**[2020-10-25T15:30:29] Edward C. Holmes:** Thanks! Multiple lines indeed. The Li preprint was posted in June. The authors got in touch with me because they wanted help to get the paper published and it do it correctly as they got a real bashing the 1st time around (they were the 99% similar crew). In correspondence with them it's clear that they are totally straight but rather naive. They don't normally bat this high up. In this paper they clear show the pangolins are sick and they Sanger sequenced the spike protein. All good. I also made them make the provenance of the sequences completely clear(i.e. part of the same outbreak). I don't see anything nefarious in here at all (how the fuck can you fake the CT scanof a pangolin lung -…

**[2020-10-25T16:01:07] Edward C. Holmes:** The complicating thing about Alina though is that she has clearly gone mad and you are watching this process in real time

**[2020-10-25T16:13:55] Andrew Rambaut:** Might be worth asking Pardis for any internal insight before formally going to Lander? Danny Park follows her sopresumably sees what is going on.

**[2020-10-25T16:48:09] Kristian G. Andersen:** Let me see if I can get a hold of Pardis and Danny - we have a meeting on Wednesday. We have gone full conspiracy by now and the Broad name (of which both Bob and I are always members) are being dragged through this as well. She's alleging both misconduct and conspiracy - against some very well-known scientists. And, of course, all completely bullshit by an amateur who has never done this type of work. I know how my institution would handle it - I don't think the Broad wants to be part of this either...

**[2020-10-25T16:52:28] Kristian G. Andersen:** .... not to mention - accusing reviewers of her technical comment of being being complicit in the death of millions... seems fair enough.

**[2020-10-25T17:07:15] Edward C. Holmes:** I'm going to sleep on this and perhaps send something tomorrow. She is directly accusing me.