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A slack conversation of 23 messages spanning 2h 20m.

# Metadata

- **Started:** 2020-06-03T15:46:10
- **Ended:** 2020-06-03T18:06:38
- **Duration:** 2h 20m
- **Participants:** 4
- **Source:** [slack_pm](/sources/slack-pm.md)
- **Pages:** 50-52

# Participants

* [Andrew Rambaut](/people/andrew-rambaut.md)
* [Edward C. Holmes](/people/edward-c-holmes.md)
* [Kristian G. Andersen](/people/kristian-g-andersen.md)
* [Robert F. Garry](/people/robert-f-garry.md)

# Transcript

**[2020-06-03T15:46:10] Edward C. Holmes:** I might make a t-shirt of Bob's list of 20. Of perhaps just 17 in bright red.

**[2020-06-03T15:50:28] Andrew Rambaut:** https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/03/exclusive-coronavirus-began-accident-disease-escaped-chinese/

**[2020-06-03T15:53:14] Edward C. Holmes:** Ugh.

**[2020-06-03T15:54:04] Robert F. Garry:** Yeah - forgot about all the unhelpful stuff re the origins - probably a good 5 or 6 more points for the list.

**[2020-06-03T15:56:45] Edward C. Holmes:** Did you read the paper in question. I don't really see how it supports a lab escape?

**[2020-06-03T15:58:04] Andrew Rambaut:** It doesn't - but the article explains that it has been watered down apparently.

**[2020-06-03T15:58:35] Andrew Rambaut:** And a new paper is coming out as soon as they find someone to publish it.

**[2020-06-03T16:04:57] Edward C. Holmes:** Got it. I went straight to the paper. Have you seen the original? I'd love to see what this compelling evidence is.

**[2020-06-03T16:05:08] Edward C. Holmes:** "Henceforth, those who would maintain that the Covid-19 pandemic arose from zoonotic transfer need to explain precisely why this more parsimonious account is wrong before asserting that their evidence is persuasive, most especially when, as we also show, there are puzzling errors in their use of evidence." Is this us?

**[2020-06-03T16:11:01] Andrew Rambaut:** Presumably. I see a 40K Altmetric.

**[2020-06-03T16:13:21] Edward C. Holmes:** "To remedy the problem, the researchers are developing their own vaccine, produced by Immunor AS, a Norwegian pharmaceutical company led by Mr Sorensen".

**[2020-06-03T16:14:05] Andrew Rambaut:** Of course they are.

**[2020-06-03T16:30:39] Kristian G. Andersen:** Is it this mystery paper? [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2020-06-03 at 4.30.01 PM.png]

**[2020-06-03T16:35:27] Andrew Rambaut:** That sounds likely. Did they send you a copy?

**[2020-06-03T16:37:09] Edward C. Holmes:** I got that as well. No paper.

**[2020-06-03T16:38:10] Kristian G. Andersen:** Yeah, no paper - so I had no idea what it was about

**[2020-06-03T16:39:13] Edward C. Holmes:** Apparently, as UKIP health spokesman he literally argued for policy of re-allowing smoking inside pubs.

**[2020-06-03T16:40:07] Edward C. Holmes:** "Dalgleish stood in 2015 for Parliament as a UKIP candidate".

**[2020-06-03T16:43:47] Kristian G. Andersen:** Sounds like he's a real expert then. Good.

**[2020-06-03T16:50:03] Kristian G. Andersen:** Ehm, can somebody please point me to the part of the paper where they prove this virus is not natural? I have a hard time finding it...

**[2020-06-03T17:47:21] Edward C. Holmes:** We need to see the 'original' paper. That one says nothing at all.

**[2020-06-03T17:48:11] Kristian G. Andersen:** I suspect we'll be disappointed...

**[2020-06-03T18:06:38] Edward C. Holmes:** It will be mental though, and hence enjoyable. You need to watch Dalgleish in this video - such a nutter: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/election-2015-32522124/election-2015-health-debate-ukip-on-park-smoking-ban